Items Discussion

[Kevala Katashi]

Alright, so I know that I promised an items list would be up this weekend, and I failed at it, and that I had said I would do it this week for sure. But in planning out how I wanted to go about this, I realized that it would possibly be better to see what you guys were looking for in terms of items.....I have a few set things that myself and Ryan have discussed in IMs over the past several weeks. From my stand point, the system that we have come up with, or at least the outline for the system we have come up with, seems pretty solid.

Now, before I officially open up this discussion, I just want to get a few things clear. Its nothing major, just some things that we have thought on and some things that I really don't think I will be changing my mind on.

• No custom made items.** ( This is one of the ones that will not change. I can understand and respect the desire to be able to make your own items, but I think we have all seen in the past, on other boards how that can quickly become abused, and how complicated it can get depending on the rules set in place to govern it and the people creating the items. )
  
  
• No multipliers. ** ( Even though I am guilty of having used them in the past, when they were available to me, I strongly feel that multipliers cause more harm than good, and no item on this board will contain them. This is something I have been dead set against since I first started designing this board, and as much as I know some of you would like them, the answer will always be no. )
  
  
• Total number of 3 sets of items. This means there will the three complete item sets available for you to purchase. The catch is that only the first one will be available to you at the start, and then, as we progress further with the board plot and as major story arcs happen, the others will become unlocked. This is one of the things that I would like you guys to discuss...I have a few options in mind, which I will list, but feel free to give any ideas you might have.
  
  Option #1: You will only be allowed to purchase from Item Set #2 once you have purchased all of Item Set #1, and from Item Set #3 once you have purchased Item Set #2
  
  Option #2: You will be able to purchase from any item set that is unlocked, regardless if you own all the items in a set or not.
  
  Option #3: All items, regardless of set, will remain at the same price.
  
  Option #4: Item sets will increase in value depending on level. So, Item Set #2 would cost a bit more than Item Set #1, and so on and so forth.
  
  Option #5: Certain item sets will only be available to you after you have reached a certain rank.
  
  
• Teachers will have items, but they will cost more than what a student would pay for theirs. This is because teachers get paid for classes, and I feel that if they wish to buy an item then they should be required to work for it just as students do for their own, and because teachers are held in a different regard RP wise than students.
  
  
• There will be a list of consumables, so that you can see what is available to you, but you will not be allowed to purchase these items. They will be awarded during mini quests, or during certain events as deemed appropriate by staff.
  
  
• The transaction fee and the locking of items once they have been traded is something that is not up for discussion as far as doing away with it. Though if you perhaps feel that the fee is not enough, or that both parties should pay a fee, then by all means let us know.
  
  
• Quest items will not be handed out like candy. I have plans for these, but it is something I would like to keep as a surprise to people. This doesn't mean you cannot offer up your two cents on the matter and give me any information you would like to have taken into consideration.
  
  
• Weapons? I know that there was a request for them on PHS #1033, and though I myself do not really see a need for them, I am curious as to what you guys think.

These are just some of the major points that I can think of right off the top of my head, that we have discussed or that I have thought up in my spare time as of late. Plenty of room for ideas or comments on the matter.

I will be leaving this discussion open for a period of one week. Though I know that nobody is near close enough to purchase an item as of yet, I still want to wrap this up in a fairly timely fashion so that we can create the set(s) and give you guys something to shoot for.

So this discussion officially closes on

May 15, 2012[/u][/size][/font]

[thekid]

Option two seems the most sensible to me. I mean, say I saw an item I'd wanted from item set 2 and I didn't have enough int. to wear a crap ton of items. Buying all of set 1 to get something from set 2 would be so tedious, it'd actually discouraging me from buying items in the first place.

At the same time, I like option four. Perhaps integrate 'em?

[Elijah Graham]

I'm down with Option 2 as well, and possibly integrate Option 3 in with it, but for me, it's not so much not having enough Intelligence, it's money-wise.

Sure I can post a crap ton to get the money, but back on PHS #1033, it took me a solid two and half months to accumulate the $4000-something I had for Kenshin, and even then, I only had enough to buy two items. I don't want to have to spend a ton of time racking up money just so I can buy all of Set #1 just to buy the item I'd like from Set #2.

As for weapons, I've always liked the idea of anything around you can be used. Let's be honest, blunt weapons make the most sense, like pipes, bats, wooden poles, etc.

I mean, c'mon, unless your character is part of some black-market underground group or your family is a weapons collector, you're not going to be able to easily obtain a gun or sword or spear or any other weapon out there. I say stick to using what you can find around you, there's always going to be something you can use.

[thekid]

I like the idea of 4 more than 3, but then couldn't they be mingled? I mean, have certain items in certain sets better than other items in the same sets. So if like, item set 1 has 5 items, they don't all have to be just as good/bad as each other.

As for weapons, I kind of like the idea of them. Blunt things and what can be found around you mostly, though. And knives seem sensible in a lot of occasions. Almost all the white kids at my school own knives. =|

[Aryanna Katashi]

I agree that a lot of these can be combined, but I listed them separately for the sake of keeping them each as an individual idea for you to all look at and see for what it was. As for the idea of weapons, I am still very uncertain about that one. My thing has always been, that if, for example, Kevala was fighting somebody in the classroom, and a desk was broken, then whatever pieces were broken off could be used as a weapon, if not the chair/desk itself.

As far as knives go. Everyone who knows Kevala knows that she has always and will always use knives when she commits her murders of random NPC's or the occasional PC that I get permission to kill. But I look at it as this, if knives are allowed, then not only does it create just a huge mess during fights, but then EVERYONE will be using knives, and if you think about it, the likelihood of using a knife during a fight and not landing a fatal wound is near impossible, especially with the kind of strength and intelligence that most characters possess, then this leads to the issue of you not being able to kill a character without the players permission. So what do you have? A fight where you have to logic out why your character would use a deadly weapon and yet not inflict deadly wounds? It is honestly pointless to me.

But again, this is a discussion thread and that is just my opinion. There are still a few days left, so more than enough time to weigh in on everything for those of you who have not.

[thekid]

I get that they are each their own individual ideas, but each on their own have a bit of flaw to them, one way or another. Keeping them separated when combining them could easily build a better result seems pointless to me, but eh.

I was under the impression that knives/guns/etc. couldn't be used between players at all. I was a little clueless (and probably still kind of am). As far as they go, I don't think they should be buy-able items or anything, just usable with consent between players. Some characters, too, wouldn't really use weapons. I know Mekiel wouldn't.

[Alistair Warden]

Gunna make this brief because I have a paper to finish up and finals to study. But lesse.

Option #1: No, mainly just because it inclines the need to purchase all the items in order to level up. If we all had an availibility of time and money to expend sure but nono.

Option #2:

Option #3:

Option #4: I like This one best

Option #5: If we're going to use this one I'd say that they have to have a good return value but also a decreasing measure. For example you hit the rank of 2000 posts or something this is a godtier item worth significantly more. but gives back like +10 Str, -5 Dexterity. idk.

---

[Kevala Katashi]

Alright, first off, I list options instead of things grouped together because it gives people a broader scope of things to discuss and try and mix and match to make work right. I personally have my own opinions on how I think things should go, but wanted to give you guys room to suggest and what not.

Secondly, guns, knives and other such weapons ARE NOT allowed in PC fights. Its just that simple. I was never suggesting that those be the types of weapons that be sold. I was referring more to the types of weapons that were being sold on the previous board ( PHS #1033 ) such as "roll of pennies" or "roll of quarters" etc. I personally see no purpose in these what so ever. But thought I would raise the topic for discussion either way because I am trying to keep options open.

Discussion closes tomorrow May 15, 2012 @ 9 P.M CST so anything else you guys would like to throw in, do so before then. Thanks. <3

[Legion]

i like option 4 the best, provided sets 2 and 3 are comparable in price to stats.

also i hate the idea of buying weapons that you can lug around with you in every thread to use as weapons and stat gains. I've always hated that, especially in xin because it's the double whammy to everyone that doesn't have one. "oh, so and so has a weapon, their allowed to have at all times and they get stats from it, great" It makes it near impossible to deal with realistically.

[knockout]

May 12, 2012 2:14:25 GMT -6 Aryanna Katashi said:

I agree that a lot of these can be combined, but I listed them separately for the sake of keeping them each as an individual idea for you to all look at and see for what it was.

May 14, 2012 19:45:00 GMT -6 Kevala Katashi said:

Alright, first off, I list options instead of things grouped together because it gives people a broader scope of things to discuss and try and mix and match to make work right.

Forgive me for the digression, but I was doing the latter before combated with the first.

Also, I don't entirely agree with condemning the use of knives/guns/etc. of PCs against PCs altogether. There are situations where they do make sense, just as there are situations when not using them wouldn't. I'm not saying you should sell a knife that gives +5 Str along with the advantage that you could slice your opponent to bits, but I am saying that some cases should permit their use.

For example, I have plans for Kiyong to become slightly mentally unstable as he progresses. Things I have in mind would involve his use of a knife on an NPC(s), and should another PC get involved, I don't see him saying "Screw the knife, I'll fight you with my fists!"

That is to say, I'm not arguing that weapons of any sort should be allowed to be carried at all times, but when a person starts a thread with a weapon being used and someone joins, it should be a sort of auto-consent to that weapon possibly being used on them. I do doubt that every character on the board is a serial killer that'd dismember their opponents, so it is likely that people could get away, not untouched, but not disfigured. Of course, that would also mean that, should a person start a thread without any sort of violent intent to it, another person couldn't just join with a knife without the thread-starter's permission. I also do doubt that, were anyone on this board to have a knife and be around other people at the same time, that they would just go wild because they could. No one here's really that unstable - if they were, they'd be in a hospital.

Don't get me wrong - I'm fine either way: weapons or no weapons. My characters don't need them to progress as characters, but sometimes their use is not unfounded.

tl;dr:

I'm fine either way

[Legion]

I agree with you brandon, I thread with knives and guns all the time. There purpose for that rule is so person b doesn't walk into person A's thread and pull a knife/gun. And lethal weapons, at least on any xin board i've been on can only be used with the permission of everyone involved. If you're going to make an open topic, it's as easy as putting an ooc note saying that you got one and are going to use it the first post. If it's a closed thread, chances are you already discussed it.

The sole reason i don't like weapons in the item shop is because it basically gets around that rule in most cases with someone crying that they bought the item/earned it, whatevs.

Weapons shouldn't be in the item shop but allowed in threads based on all rpers agreement, imo

[Alistair Warden]

May 15, 2012 21:02:42 GMT -6 Legion said:

And lethal weapons, at least on any xin board i've been on can only be used with the permission of everyone involved. If you're going to make an open topic, it's as easy as putting an ooc note saying that you got one and are going to use it the first post. .

Weapons shouldn't be in the item shop but allowed in threads based on all rpers agreement, imo

[Kevala Katashi]

Thank you all for your comments and suggestions. Will start work on a set item list and rules soon. As of now though, this thread is locked.